Husband. Dad to 5. Student Ministry Pastor. Follower of Jesus. Yatta yatta.

MOVING FROM PROCLAIMING TO INTERACTING

Last March I taught a seminar that I had taught once before.  I made some changes to it from the first time, but it this go around was called, “Moving from Leadership to Ownership:  creating a student owned ministry”.  It wasn’t about student leadership per se, but rather was about some shifts that I think we need to make if we’re going to move from ministry to students to ministry owned by students that will withstand the test of time.

You can give the entire seminar a listen by buying it or on cd or download here if you want.  (btw, I get nothing financial if you do that, so no push from me really).

Anyway, in that seminar, one of the things I mentioned was that I think the proclamation model of teaching is dying among students and I questioned its ability to produce life-long followers of Jesus by itself.  Simply put, preaching alone is not gonna cut it.  I suggested that we that we need to move to a more interactive teaching format that engages students in the thinking process.  That prompted a recent e-mail to me that read as follows.  Since I didn’t ask for permission, I’ll post it here anonymously:

I was one of the student pastors at your workshop at SYMC on moving from leadership to ownership. BTW I really enjoyed the session. I remembered you talking about using the Lady Gaga song “Born this Way” during a teaching time with your students and turning it into a discussion amongst the group. I want to use that as well as a few clips from last weeks Glee episode in a discussion message in the next week or so. What does that look like when you do it? I am great at monologuing and preaching when I am the only one talking, but I am not sure what questions to ask or how to lead a discussion message in this context. I think it would be such a great thing to help our students understand the good and the bad of the song. Any help? Thanks bro

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Without taking the time to clarify what I said or what this youth pastor is asking about, here’s my response as to how I think we can help students engage a discussion in a learning environment.  I posted it her ein the hopes that maybe you’ll find it helpful too.

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thanks for the kind words.  Glad you enjoyed the seminar.

If your normal gathering is like mine where it’s easy to do the monologue/ proclamation style of learning… then I have found that there are at least 4 things that are needed for good discussions in these environments.  These are not yoda conclusions but rather observations in process.  They are also not a full treatment of teaching to teens, but rather some simple ideas to help engage an audience of teens in feedback.  Ok.. all that said, here they are:

  1. PREPARE YOUR ADULTS: you need adults or key students spread around the room to get conversations going in smaller groups.  they need to know this is coming and to be ready to help when it does.  
  2. PROVIDE AN ENGAGING TOPIC or ILLUSTRATION: you need a topic that is engaging on various opinion levels but that is still safe to talk about.  Hence Lady Gaga or Osama Bin Laden or Glee or whatever.  Then get students talking about “most teens” or “their peers” instead of themselves.  Most students will actually share stories they relate to, but in the 3rd person
  3. CREATE SAFE INTERACTION POINTS. Ask open ended questions (ones that don’t have yes or no as an answer)  You can collect feedback verbally by writing down responses up front on a whiteboard- affirming the contributions as they come.  You can give students a chance to speak silently by writing something down on sticky notes and such and then pasting them somewhere and you read them.  You can use texting or other methods too.   You can see a sample of how I recently did this here.
  4. DEVELOP A TEACHING/INTERACTION RHYTHM.  ie: teach some.  read some.  show a video. then gather responses.  then repeat.  give lots of chances for them to talk in brief, short, safe segments.  Warm them up to the idea that they can ask a question or interrupt you or speak up when you give the go ahead.
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Ok… those are my thoughts.  You got any others that help to engage discussion among students in a large group gathering context? 

THEOLOGY IN A BOX

On Palm Sunday, while teaching at Journey, I said this in one of the services:

“If you have God nicely in your theological box, 
I’d be scared of your box.”
I’ve been really bugged by this lately: The idea that we know God so well that we can tell you without a doubt who God is and exactly how God works.

To this end, there is this recent resurgence in the church to call one another heretics.  I’m not sure why people get such a big kick out of it, but there is nonetheless a pattern in the church world- particularly those who deem themselves as the protectors of all things evangelical- to call those who don’t fit in their box heretics.

I guess my biggest problem with calling someone else a heretic is not just the flippant nature or the arrogance that it is often said with, but more troubling for me is the foundational idea that their beliefs are the epicenter of orthodoxy.

So to this end, I’ve been thinking about this and here’s what I’ve concluded so far.

NOTHING IS SO SACRED IT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED.  I believe in the sacred.  I just don’t believe that when passing the sacred on, that it can be merely proclaimed as such and then be assumed to be owned by those to whom it has been “passed onto”. I could go so far as to say that I think the more sacred something is the more it should be questioned so that it can be constantly reaffirmed as sacred indeed.  Declaring the Bible or the marriage bond or some doctrine sacred does not make it so.  If the sacred cannot stand up to scrutiny, perhaps what we have is more traditional than foundational.

DECLARING EVERYTHING A MYSTERY IS A THEOLOGICAL COPOUT.   One nagging reason why some have decided the box of belief needs to have very rigid and not flexible walls is a reaction to those who refuse to even give their box corners.  A little humility without apathy would do us all some good.  The truth is, that when nothing is sacred, everything becomes sacred. When nothing is solid, everything becomes subjective and wishy washy.  I don’t hold to a lot with a theological certitude, but when we hold nothing and declare all conclusions equally mysterious we only sound ridiculously ambiguous.

THE LONGER A DOCTRINE STATEMENT, THE MORE IT’S PROBABLY GOT WRONG.   My favorite doctrine statement so far is one I’ve heard numerous times in one of my seminary classes.  Here you go.  It’s 3 words long: “Jesus was right.”  Ha!!! I love it.  Go ahead, print it on t-shirts for your elder board.  What a great doctrine statement.  What a great discussion starter.  It obviously begs the question “About what?”  And then you’re off to the races questioning stuff and finding stuff jesus nailed down.  You know that’s gonna be a series in our student ministries soon. 🙂

EASIER SAID THAN DONE

I have goals.  I can plan ahead.  I have a lot of administrative bones in my body.  But nonetheless, I have 500 things that seem to be easier said than done in youth ministry.  They are nice axioms, but super hard to live out.

SMALL FISH IN A SMALL POND

I have some friends in the youth ministry world with some name recognition to them.   Like, if you travel in youth ministry circles, you’d know their names cuz they write and speak and lead some stuff that lots of people have found significant in their lives.

Tonight, as in the backyard of one of them when we were talking about some youth ministry stuff and the subject of tracking how many people come to our blogs came up.  It probably came up because I told them that I recently just passed up 1000 posts on this blog and that I wanted to do one of those cool blog posts on what thing I’ve written has received the most feedback or been read the most in the history of this blog, but that I didn’t know how to find out really.

So, as I got schooled in all things techy, we started checking the stats of one of the guys, and I found out that one of them gets about 2000 readers a day.  The other guy in our tiny backyard bonding group probably gets more.  HAAA!  Mine gets like 50.

While it is surely humbling how small this pond (or should I say puddle) really is, it did also remind me why I do this thing. In honor of my 1008th post, here’s my top 3 reasons I blog:

  1. It’s a good outlet for me to process my own life and learnings.
  2. I get feedback occasionally that what I write is good and helpful for some friends in youth ministry with me around the country.
  3. It’s fun to share some thoughts and learnings with my friends and family who I don’t get to see face to face but that can stay connected with me in some ways via this crazy internet. 
Well, there ya have it. Welcome to my puddle.  Come on back and maybe I’ll throw a rock in and the ripple will impact you in some small way. 

WHAT TRIGGERS YOU TO PRAY?

If you’re like most people, then the answer would be “when bad things happen”.  That’s when most of us feel the need to pray. Perhaps before a big decision we need wisdom on or if you’re really spiritual, then dinner meal sitting on the table might inspire you to feel like you should pray.

But all in all, most of those things are either reactionary times to pray or